It doesn't really matter since McCain will lose in November without the support of the conservatives. Most of us will sit it out or write the name of the person we think most exemplifies the principals of the founding fathers and the constitution.
Submitted by brianinmo on March 19, 2008 - 3:25pm.
ksmith,
A true Conservative - who wants what is best for America - could not sit by and let the Supreme Court become pro-abortion guaranteed for the next 25 years.
A true Conservative - who is not wallowing in self-pity and selfish pride - cannot sit by and let a Democrat lead America to surrender to Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
A true Conservative - who is guided by reason rather than anger - cannot passively aid the Democrats destroy the healthcare system of America.
In short, everything you think you don't like about John McCain, you get to the 1000th degree if you actively or passively assist in the election of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
Thinking, America-loving Conservatives - like Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, etc., etc., don't do that. I certainly hope you won't either.
Sorry, we don't buy it. The reason we're in this mess and now and have McCain as the so called "conservative", and I use that term very loosely, is because we've been forced to settle for the lesser of the evils. We'll vote for the proven conservative Senators and Representatives but NOT for McCain!
We'll vote for the proven conservative Senators and Representatives but NOT for McCain!
Hey Ksmith,
I know you are a conservative, and I know how unhappy you are with Senator McCain. I just hope you are thinking with a clear head come November.
I just want to remind you that we sent many good men and women off to Iraq to fight over the last five years. We've asked them to make incredible sacrifices, but not just them, but also their families. We've done our best to support them despite the left and their willing accomplices in the media. We've asked them to be strong and in turn, we'd have their back when it comes to matters here in the states.
Now we find ourselves turning the tide over there. Winning is now even mentioned by those in the media who have worked against us from the start. All the hard work and sacrifice of those lost, wounded, and battered, has started to show it's fruition.
But potentially standing in the way of all that are two potential Democratic candidates, either of whom may well be commander in chief this time next year. They have no intention of trying to win. Their base wants us out of there and is hell bent on grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. They will be out in force this election year, and you can bet their surrogates will be working day and night to win in November.
This is where we come in. Republicans of all stripes, especially conservatives, are going to have to work hard to stop Obama or Hillary from dealing our country a terrible blow in the war on terror. You and I both know that to leave Iraq in it's unfinished state, would be a disaster of epic proportions. Our enemies will know and be emboldened by the fact that we can be beaten in any conflict, as long as they can use our own kook left fringe against us to wear out our country's will to persevere.
I have to now ask you, is that an acceptable scenario to you? Will you be able to sleep at night knowing what you will have done..in the name of conservatism?
Men and women have died for this country. They've lost their arms, their legs, their eyesight. Their families have made incredible sacrifices and many have lost their loved ones forever.
In light of all their sacrifices, you as a conservative would feel just fine letting everything they've fought and worked so hard for go down the drain in the name of conservatism?
Is voting for McCain more of a sacrifice for you then their sacrifice is for their country?
I can't speak for Ronald Reagan, but I can't imagine him bailing out on his country when it came down to what decision was best for it, especially when and where our military and their families are involved. If you believe that their hard work and sacrifice should count for something great in the end, how can you do anything that would effectively put an end to those hopes?
Maybe in the past, during time of peace, your decision to not support the Republican candidate could be respected. It is your vote and your choice to do with it as you wish. Unfortunately, the times are much more complicated now. How you vote has major ramifications on this country and those who serve it.
Submitted by brianinmo on March 19, 2008 - 11:52pm.
Lane,
I got flippant earlier with ksmith, after trying to lay out a reasoned argument for why conservatives should rally to McCain. But this is not a flippant matter.
You have stated the truth as well as it can be said. I just hope and pray that enough Americans will put what is best for the nation ahead of any other consideration. Our courageous troops are depending on us, and we just cannot let them down. We can't give them Obama or Clinton as a Commander-in-Chief.
That's all fine and dandy ksmith. You don't have to work to support him, just make sure that you punch his name when you are in the voting booth.
If you don't, and we get the Dems controlling all 3 branches of government, we're all screwed. The folks I'll feel for the most will be the troops. All the sacrifices they've had to make would wind up being all for naught.
Any conservative who puts himself in front of what's best for those folks and his country, needs to seriously evaluate who they are as a person.
As I said before, when it all comes down to it, I hope you are thinking with a clear head on November 4th and that you do what's best for your country and what's best for the folks serving in our armed forces.
Not only would the Democrats control all three branches of government without McCain but there is a chance they would have a 60 seat, filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That is a prospect that should frighten any Conservative considering wasting his or her vote.
Actually I heard 8 out of 10 conservatives support McCain and I expect when the prospect of either Clinton or Obama presiding over a Democrat controlled Congress and appointing liberal Constitution changing judges to the Supreme Court becomes immenent, a majority of the 2 out of 10 remaining will board the Straight Talk Express as well.
Submitted by The_Mass_Mouth on March 24, 2008 - 6:56pm.
What makes you think John McCain isn't a conservative ? Because he thinks for himself ? If thats the difference, what does that say about "conservatives"?
Submitted by James Carder on March 21, 2008 - 1:45pm.
We've had two Presidents in a row who have served double terms who did basically the same thing: found something else to do when they had an opportunity to serve in actual combat.
This is too long for veterans to wait in a country that continues to use men and women as a military extension of its foreign policy, regardless of who's in the White house.
Look at the shape of VA hospitals for the first Iraqi returnees?
We need a President in the White House who understand the issues that veteran's have...the longterm issues and the problems war creates for a nation in treating and giving preference to its returning veterans.
“Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.” Winston Churchill
We're Americans and we'll never surrender, they will. - John McCain
Submitted by TrueSpeak on March 22, 2008 - 3:38pm.
Senator Chuck Hagel, the Nebraska Republican and one of the very few class acts in Washington, has a new book out, “America: Our Next Chapter.” Hagel writes, “In the current impasse, an independent candidate for the presidency, or a bipartisan unity ticket… could be appealing to Americans.”
Hagel, who is a Vietnam veteran, also suggests that the war in Iraq might be remembered as one of the five biggest blunders in all of history. He says that the invasion 5 years ago was “the triumph of the so-called neoconservative ideology, as well as Bush administration arrogance and incompetence.”
It isn't just democrats. So the way to honor those that have died is to have more die? What exactly does winning in IRAQ mean? Do you honestly think you can rid IRAQ of Al Qaida who let me remind you weren't there vefore March 2002.
You left off a key suffix when you described Sen. Hagel. It should have read "one of the very few class(less) acts in Washington." I'm retired military also, and have as much credibility as Sen. Hagel. He's a moron.
And I'd remind you, in spite of your talking points about AQ not being in Iraq before 2002, that this is a War against terrorists. There are other organizations besides AQ. Saddam was openly defying the very agreements he made in 1991, and was shooting at our troops and airmen virtually every day. He had to be removed, period.
I've taught my kids, never look to start a fight, but if it's plain that a fight is inevitable, then you'd better take the first punch. Most of the time, there's only one.
It was plain at that time that we had been attacked, and we weren't going to wait around for the next hit. You can disagree with the decision to take out the Butcher of Baghdad all you like, the reality was, the entire world believed he had WMD's, and we weren't going to wait for him to use them.
Talk about historical hyperbole (and ignorance). This is precisely the kind of nonsense that needs to be countered wherever it appears.
Is this man actually saying that our dethroning Saddam was a "blunder" on the same level as Spain's sending its Armada? Or the Peloponnesian wars? Or the Germans who got drunk while Washington crossed the Delaware? Or Little Roundtop? Or the Pope refusing Henry VIII'th a divorce? Or US isolationism before Pearl Harbor? And economic isolationism before the Great Depression? Or Nevile Chamberland? Or Potsdam? Or Truman stopping McArthur at the 39th parallel? Or Jimmy Carter handing Iran over to the Islamic extremists and Afghanistan over to the Russians?
In the great scheme of things, ENTERING Iraq is arguably small potatoes, but exiting Iraq the wrong way could indeed be a world and history changing event. Entering Vietnam was arguably a mistake and fighting a police action instead of a war was arguably stupid. But when we left, we then stopped financial and material support for the South Vietnamese. I think THAT is one of the greatest stains on this country's honor. Have you ever noticed that the left, peace-movement gray beards who remember their part in all this so fondly never, ever bring up the 3 million people who were murdered after Saigon fell? You can be absolutely assured that the killing fields in Southeast Asia will be nothing to the blood that will run when the terrorists and Iran take over.
Submitted by The_Mass_Mouth on March 24, 2008 - 7:03pm.
If Hillary's the nominee and does not pick Ed Rendell as her VP, John McCain will pick Tom Ridge. If Hillary does pick Ed Rendell, it ought be Condi Rice or Charlie Crist.
If BHO is the nominee and picks Jean Sebelius (Governor of Kansas), John McCain should still pick Tom Ridge. If BHO does not pick Jean Sebelius or another woman, John McCain should pick Mitt Romney, who just might (against Obama only) bring us Massachusetts, not to mention Michigan and Nevada.
I say this knowing that Mitt Romney is as glib and commitment-less a candidate as I have ever seen. I am not at ease about such a choice, but it could work, in THIS circumstance.
Joe Lieberman, David Petraeus, and Tim Pawlenty also look like sound choices. Most of the "conservatives" aren't. We're already winning their states (Sanford of SC) or else cannot (Chris Cox of CA). Rob Portman IS from Ohio, but he's one of 18 Ohio congressmen. Not good enough.
In my view, John McCain should select one of the following individuals as his running mate:
- Condi Rice - her experience exceeds that of Obama and Hillary COMBINED, she is known and respected worldwide, and she would be America's first female and black vice president;
- Joseph Lieberman - as a former Democrat, Senator Lieberman would attract the vote of many "Reagan Democrats" and independents. Unlike most Democrats, however, Lieberman fully understands the significance of the War on Terror and the threat to western civilization posed by the terrorists.
- Mitt Romney - his experience in the business world and as governor of MASS would certainly quell the fears of voters who rate the U.S. economy as the primary issue of the 2008 presidential election. Also, Romney is an excellent orator.
Submitted by The_Mass_Mouth on April 26, 2008 - 4:54pm.
1. Selecting Condoleeza Rice would tie John McCain to GWB's foreign policy and its mistakes.
2.Joe Lieberman is a great choice...for his views on fighting the War on Terrorism. On every other issue he is a Democrat.
3.Mitt Romney has a chance, and could help in many ways -- except that his Mormonism looks a little less nice (ahem!) after the dust-up going on with those Fundamntalist Mormons in Texas (ahem).
So: here are MY brilliant picks:
1. Tom Ridge
2. Tim Pawlenty or Charlie Crist (if HRC is their nominee)
3. Michael Bloomberg (if BHO is their nominee)
4. Bobby Jindal (even though he does not want to be asked)
Mike Huckabee would be the best choice for VP. He is a true conservative and would enhance the ticket by shoring up the social conservative vote. He would not alienate independents and cross-over Democrats and is well-liked by most.
I like Mike Huckabee for VP. He would give Sen. McCain a real balance to the ticket, and bring in many of the social conservatives and southern state votes that are needed for the Republicans to win. The respect each of them have for each other is also obviously felt and Sen. McCain needs a VP he can TRUST wholeheartedly. That is Mike Huckabee.
Submitted by The_Mass_Mouth on April 26, 2008 - 4:59pm.
it is a possibility. but it doesn't help John McCain at all in battleground states except FL and NC (PA, MI, OH, NJ, WA, NY if HRC isn't their nominee)
By the way, as you can read, I've changed my mind about Condi FRice and Joe Lieberman. I have thought things through a bit more...
I'm sure there are other good choices, but the candidate who burst on the national scene with a genuineness we could not resist was Mike Huckabee. For a man who spent a fraction of what the others spent and fought against media bias graciously, he was able to win an impressive number of delegates, coming in second overall. He has grassroots enthusiasm from his supporters that will energize the national Republican campaign, and he is a solid conservative who will shore up the conservative vote and will not alienate independents. Mike Huckabee would be a great VP!!!
Submitted by supporthuckabee on March 29, 2008 - 11:56pm.
There are hundreds of thousands of voters who are going to sit out the election. I am one of them. In many of the blogs or groups that I have checked out people are saying this. They will not vote. Most of these people are social and economic conservatives. They are also Huckabee supporters. They feel accepting McCain is not supporting their views and that is what they hold to. Huckabee has the support even now of many. I feel it would be in John McCain's best interest to make Huckabee his VP. John McCain would instantly increase his base. Social conservatives are scared of Romney. He is not what he thinks he is.People see right through him. He is not genuine.
Huckabee has dealt with the Clinton Machine and who better to deal with the words of a great speaker like Obama than an even better speaker such as Huckabee.Huckabee can enspire and excite. Obama can only excite. You need both to take action. excited people tire easily. Inspired people act.
Huckabee is an incredible man who has overcome many adversities. He is an American who loves Americans.
Many that truly do not know Huckabee should listen to him closer. I think if they look at him honestly they will see he should be John McCains right hand man.
Mike is a true visionary. If John's presidency is going to look to the future while dealing with the war in Iraq. Mike Huckabee will be the man to give John support to the direction he would like to take America. Upward.
For perhaps four or five specific issues, "conservatives" are going to hand over the country to the far, far left. As we're all enjoying the benefits of public health insurance and a federal public school system and the word, God, erased from the Declaration of Independence and sitting at home, broke, because we can't afford or get gas to put in our cars, or hiding out because we won't wear our burqua's, you all can be smug as can be over our comeuppance. I'm, of course, not so bad mannered as to mention that you'll be starving too, but hey, getting to be smug is worth it. Right?
I also like Mike. He's a man of honor and principle, and I cannot believe a man of his character would want his country to go down because he lost an election.
Romney has the economic and business experience that McCain needs and the excutive experience from being Governor of Mass. He's a perfect choice as a conservative for the McCain/Romney 2008 ticket.
Huckabee had to stay in the race much longer to get more delagates than Romney. Huckabee was becoming a drain on the process just so he could support his own ego. Everyone saw that and commented on it as well. He burned a lot of bridges in the process.
Mike Huckabee has more executive experience than any other candidate, either Republican or Democrat - 13+yrs, so that makes him the most experienced for the job. His record is excellent, and he left the job with a high approval rating, unlike others. He was selected as one of the top five governors in the U.S. by Time and voted to a leadership role by his fellow governors. He is an authentic conservative, particularly on social issues; his positions have not changed on gay marriage, abortion, government-paid abortions, and stem-cell research, and he advanced life causes as governor. Unfortunately, others have changed their positions on these important issues. He can assist with bringing home the south, a "must have" for Republicans in November; others are not as strong there. His support for the Fair Tax and other economic issues effecting the average American is also a plus. Huckabee's authenticity, experience, and likeability make him well suited for the VP job.
Time Magazine? Great Source(For the Left). I'm from the south and I dont think Huckabee is qualifed to be 2nd in line. He's funny, but that's about it...
Huckabee is not a bad person, I just don't take him seriously...
Many do take him seriously and that is fine.
Sorry, didn't know you didn't like Time. I try and get the news from as many sources as possible; some are good and some not so good. Try and get past it, drink in the rest of the comment, and you will see Mike Huckabee should be taken seriously and is qualified with more executive experience than any recent president.
I've seen a number of people who see him with a good sense of humor, and immediately dismiss him. When he first got interested, it was at the first debate. Unfortunately, he didn't get many questions, so I made it my business to see what was going on with him, found his site, and went straight to the issues section. I was impressed. As time went by, I noticed as he added things, he also refined it. I knew he was writing this himself, not some guy working for him.
He was solid on the issues. There were people and organizations who tried to tear him down with half-lies (stuff out of context, mostly). Chief among them were Club for Growth and Thompson (who probably got his information from CFG)! Here is the entire speech for context (first couple of minutes are people shuffling around). And here is the CFG, out of context version. Any sane person can see this is not fair.
I could easily write 2000+ words, but I think I've made my point. Well just one thing about Romney: I saw a youtube video of Romney cutting down the FairTax. At first blush, he clearly didn't know what he was talking about. I thought, "This guy has not familiarized himself with the FT." Then it occurred to me that possibly he did familiarize himself with it and cut it down, anyway. In the first instance, he would have been irresponsible. In the second instance he would have been a liar. Neither are acceptable.
Submitted by ThomasGenes56 on March 30, 2008 - 6:02pm.
Mike Huckabee was right when he said "Character Makes a Difference". He is down to earth and makes me feel like he is on the same level with the everyday Joe. Most politicians/candidates make us feel like we, the everyday Joe's, are beneath them. Huckabee stands for the same values that I do, and he is not afraid to stand firm in his faith and Bible Based beliefs. He doesn't talk over my head and communicates things in a way that ordinary people can understand! The media wants Huckabee to back down from his faith and not talk so much about the Bible, but when that is how you are brought up, it is what you know and very important to your values! When you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, it is exciting and you want your joy to rub off on those around you or that you have an impact on! I feel that he is the only person I can offer my vote to right now. If McCain chooses someone other than Huckabee for his VP, then I'm not so sure that I can give McCain my honest vote. My faith in God and my Bible-based beliefs come before my commitment to any political party, even that of a registered poll worker. I don't feel that McCain can win those important Bible Belt states without Huckabee. Huckabee is the only man I see who ran a clean campaign of honesty and integrity and that is the kind of man (or woman) I want running my Country. I am not opposed to a woman or even a person of color (or both) running our Country, but their values must meet up with mine. It's time for true Christian Conservatives to Stand Firm, Stand Strong, and Be Heard! We DO have a voice!
I can certainly honor your heartfelt beliefs and your passion for your VP candidate but a single issue candidate is not what the country needs right now.
Huckabee may be an honorable candidate but there are very complex issues involved in world affairs. We are a nation of mostly christians but we pride ourselves on freedom of religion and freedom for ALL.
Religion may be a guiding force in the foundation of our country but there are many more complex isues that need attention to bond our country together. A Global economy,the war in Iraq and terrorism in general.
Obviously you feel that you want McCain to be the President. Many of us have our choice for VP and for various reasons. I will support McCain's pick because I believe he will make the right choice.
Submitted by ThomasGenes56 on March 30, 2008 - 8:32pm.
First of all, Thomas is my maiden name.
Second, I am not necessarily in favor of McCain. If I must vote the lesser of the evils, then he will get my vote. Evil is still evil and that is wrong. He has issues that I disagree with. If I felt that Huckabee was lacking in any of the areas that you mentioned, economy, the war, etc, I would consider another person for VP. However, I feel that Mike is not lacking in any of these areas. He has traveled the world extensively and knows what he faces. He is experienced in running the state better than most before him, so why do people think he is lacking to run the country, whether as President or as VP? I feel that he has more executive experience than any of the other candidates.
I have built my life based on my faith in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and I believe that He will guide Huckabee to do what needs to be done. God does not call someone into a position of any kind and not give then the tools to work with. God has a plan for Mike Huckabee. Whether it is as the President, VP or some other position, I don't believe we will have to wait until 2012 to find out what that position will be. I just can't say that I can vote for McCain and still uphold the two pledges I have taken under my Christian values. For one, I must uphold life. McCain is against abortion, but in favor of embryonic stem cell research...baby killing is still baby killing whether a fetus or an embryo. McCain also made the comments about gay unions that he thought maybe it was okay as long as they had some kind of a ceremony. That goes against God's plan as well and I must uphold the Marriage Amendment as God intended marriage...between a man and a woman for the purpose of pro-creation. I do not waiver in my pledges, my faith, or my values. As I said, Stand Firm, Stand Strong, and Be Heard!
As for Huckabee being a single issue candidate, you don't appear to be very well informed about Mike Huckabee. Read his books, "From Hope to Higher Ground: 12 Steps to Greatness", "From Hope to Higher Ground: My Vision for Restoring America's Greatness", and "Character Makes a Difference: Where I'm From, Where I've Been, and What I Believe". Maybe by being informed, you will change your way of thinking. I stand firm!
Pamm
Submitted by Woulda Coulda H... on April 3, 2008 - 5:27pm.
I am sorry that you are so poorly educated about Governor Huckabee's platform. His website it http://mikehuckabee.com if you care to make an educated remark.
You obviously are unaware that he has more executive experience than anyone else who ran for president this year, is in favor of the Fair Tax, and has creative, Conservative solutions for America.
I will not support Senator McCain if he chooses Mitt Romney or another of poor character.
To hear some people speak of Governor Huckabee as if he is inexperienced is almost comical! He has MORE executive experience that ANY candidate out there. He was Governor for over a decade!! During that time he was voted one of the top 5 best governors in the US, was nominated by his peers to Chair the National Governors Assoc., he was re-elected TWICE in a democratic state, proving his unique ability to connect with ALL people, work across party lines to make things happen and unify the state (or country). There is no-one more capable of showing strength when needed, compassion when needed and having the great ability to read a situation and know the difference. Add to that the Governor's great communication skills that would put his vp status to great use!!! Also, since the vp is the tie-breaker in the senate, we need his conservative credentials!!!
Submitted by DarkKnight3565 on April 25, 2008 - 1:27am.
Colin Powell would be a poor choice for veep beause his strengths are all in areas where McCain's cup already overfloweth, so to speak. We don't need two men who are strong on national security and have an appeal to independents and moderate/conservative Democrats.
Furthermore, Powell does not help McCain in the areas where McCain is perceived to be weakest - such an economics or the age issue.
But the real reason why so many people want McCain to pick Powell is because they think African Americans would support the Republican ticket because of his race. That won't happen. Whether it is Powell or Thomas or Rice or Steele or anyone else I could name, Blacks have shown that they will not support Blacks who are not Democrats.
People like ksmith can go vote the conservative line and see what that gets you. You people that tow the Rush line are irrelevant. Let Rush run for office. He could not get elected dog catcher. Let Dobson run and see how many votes he gets. If you want a conservative or nothing party go ahead and jump because you will be about 10% of the vote and left with nothing, no one in office and crying. The best thing for McCain would be for people like you to sit it out and McCain still win and win big. If that happens you will be useless and without a voice. Yea you can still listen to Rush but no one will be coming to kiss his ring. Think long and hard about what you want because you might just blow your last chance at relevancy.
Kabookey-Interesting post-There are no irrelevent opinions and that is just my opinion.:)
I think you are misinterpreting Rush's objective. He wants a REPUBLICAN to win. He may not agree with McCain on many levels but his heart is still with the party. Trust me, I cringe when Rush disagrees with McCain(AS I do on some issues), but I think he (Rush) has a larger plan for the 2008 election. Hope I am correct.
Trust me, when it comes time to go to the voting booth, Republicans of all stripes will be pulling the lever for McCain and Rush will have nothing to do with the majority of them having done so.
Personally, I don't listen to Rush anymore, or Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, or Laura Ingram. I am sick of their biased use of their media platform to push a particular candidate and bash another. They should be talking issues rather than belittling particular candidates. Many of these pundits have said during the primaries that Mike Huckabee and John McCain would ruin the party if nominated; they have promoted Mitt Romney for the most part. I think it is these "conservative" pundits who will contribute to the demise of their own programs if they don't change their spin and change it quickly. There are too many conservatives in the country who can think for themselves for these firebrands to be picking favorites based on their personal pocketbooks. McCain has won the Republican nomination, and it is time for Rush and the others to shut their off-key mouths.
Submitted by Texan1 on April 7, 2008 - 7:25pm.
"McCain has won the Republican nomination, and it is time for Rush and the others to shut their off-key mouths."
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I see. You are for censorship. If they don't agree with you and your choice for President or VP, then they should shut up. Does that mean that you support the Fairness Doctrine?
My guess
Right now, I'm guessing McCain will pick one of these three:
1. Mark Sanford
2. Marsha Blackburn
3. J.C. Watts
Who ???
This is truly an off the charts list. Good Gawd...
McCain's VP?
I always assumed it would either be me or Lane...and I was pulling for me.
McCain/Marston 2008
I thought it was Thompson/Marston2008. LOL I saw you hanging around. Keep up the good work..... LOL
McCain VP
It doesn't really matter since McCain will lose in November without the support of the conservatives. Most of us will sit it out or write the name of the person we think most exemplifies the principals of the founding fathers and the constitution.
True Conservative?
ksmith,
A true Conservative - who wants what is best for America - could not sit by and let the Supreme Court become pro-abortion guaranteed for the next 25 years.
A true Conservative - who is not wallowing in self-pity and selfish pride - cannot sit by and let a Democrat lead America to surrender to Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
A true Conservative - who is guided by reason rather than anger - cannot passively aid the Democrats destroy the healthcare system of America.
In short, everything you think you don't like about John McCain, you get to the 1000th degree if you actively or passively assist in the election of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
Thinking, America-loving Conservatives - like Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, etc., etc., don't do that. I certainly hope you won't either.
McCain VP
Sorry, we don't buy it. The reason we're in this mess and now and have McCain as the so called "conservative", and I use that term very loosely, is because we've been forced to settle for the lesser of the evils. We'll vote for the proven conservative Senators and Representatives but NOT for McCain!
You show 'em!
ksmith,
You show 'em! Vote for Hillary or Obama! That'll teach 'em a lesson!
Submitted by ksmith on March
Hey Ksmith,
I know you are a conservative, and I know how unhappy you are with Senator McCain. I just hope you are thinking with a clear head come November.
I just want to remind you that we sent many good men and women off to Iraq to fight over the last five years. We've asked them to make incredible sacrifices, but not just them, but also their families. We've done our best to support them despite the left and their willing accomplices in the media. We've asked them to be strong and in turn, we'd have their back when it comes to matters here in the states.
Now we find ourselves turning the tide over there. Winning is now even mentioned by those in the media who have worked against us from the start. All the hard work and sacrifice of those lost, wounded, and battered, has started to show it's fruition.
But potentially standing in the way of all that are two potential Democratic candidates, either of whom may well be commander in chief this time next year. They have no intention of trying to win. Their base wants us out of there and is hell bent on grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory. They will be out in force this election year, and you can bet their surrogates will be working day and night to win in November.
This is where we come in. Republicans of all stripes, especially conservatives, are going to have to work hard to stop Obama or Hillary from dealing our country a terrible blow in the war on terror. You and I both know that to leave Iraq in it's unfinished state, would be a disaster of epic proportions. Our enemies will know and be emboldened by the fact that we can be beaten in any conflict, as long as they can use our own kook left fringe against us to wear out our country's will to persevere.
I have to now ask you, is that an acceptable scenario to you? Will you be able to sleep at night knowing what you will have done..in the name of conservatism?
Men and women have died for this country. They've lost their arms, their legs, their eyesight. Their families have made incredible sacrifices and many have lost their loved ones forever.
In light of all their sacrifices, you as a conservative would feel just fine letting everything they've fought and worked so hard for go down the drain in the name of conservatism?
Is voting for McCain more of a sacrifice for you then their sacrifice is for their country?
I can't speak for Ronald Reagan, but I can't imagine him bailing out on his country when it came down to what decision was best for it, especially when and where our military and their families are involved. If you believe that their hard work and sacrifice should count for something great in the end, how can you do anything that would effectively put an end to those hopes?
Maybe in the past, during time of peace, your decision to not support the Republican candidate could be respected. It is your vote and your choice to do with it as you wish. Unfortunately, the times are much more complicated now. How you vote has major ramifications on this country and those who serve it.
I wanted to know that you understood that.
If you wondering about me, I view myself as:
1. American
2. Conservative
3. Republican
Lane
Well said, Lane.
Lane,
I got flippant earlier with ksmith, after trying to lay out a reasoned argument for why conservatives should rally to McCain. But this is not a flippant matter.
You have stated the truth as well as it can be said. I just hope and pray that enough Americans will put what is best for the nation ahead of any other consideration. Our courageous troops are depending on us, and we just cannot let them down. We can't give them Obama or Clinton as a Commander-in-Chief.
brianinmo
McCain
Again, we will work to have the proven conservatives elected to the Senate and House, as well as other positions. McCain? No.
That's all fine and dandy
That's all fine and dandy ksmith. You don't have to work to support him, just make sure that you punch his name when you are in the voting booth.
If you don't, and we get the Dems controlling all 3 branches of government, we're all screwed. The folks I'll feel for the most will be the troops. All the sacrifices they've had to make would wind up being all for naught.
Any conservative who puts himself in front of what's best for those folks and his country, needs to seriously evaluate who they are as a person.
As I said before, when it all comes down to it, I hope you are thinking with a clear head on November 4th and that you do what's best for your country and what's best for the folks serving in our armed forces.
Potential Filibuster Proof Majority in the Senate
Not only would the Democrats control all three branches of government without McCain but there is a chance they would have a 60 seat, filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That is a prospect that should frighten any Conservative considering wasting his or her vote.
Andrea
I've had just about enough of you folks...
There aren't enough of you "conservatives," thank Gawd, to fill a Microbe's Phone Booth.
'Nuff said. Now on to elect a President for ALL of America, not just for The Last Action Doctrine Hero...UGH
8 out of 10 conservatives support McCain
Actually I heard 8 out of 10 conservatives support McCain and I expect when the prospect of either Clinton or Obama presiding over a Democrat controlled Congress and appointing liberal Constitution changing judges to the Supreme Court becomes immenent, a majority of the 2 out of 10 remaining will board the Straight Talk Express as well.
What makes you think John
What makes you think John McCain isn't a conservative ? Because he thinks for himself ? If thats the difference, what does that say about "conservatives"?
McCain Would Bring Us Back to Center on Veterans' Issues
We've had two Presidents in a row who have served double terms who did basically the same thing: found something else to do when they had an opportunity to serve in actual combat.
This is too long for veterans to wait in a country that continues to use men and women as a military extension of its foreign policy, regardless of who's in the White house.
Look at the shape of VA hospitals for the first Iraqi returnees?
We need a President in the White House who understand the issues that veteran's have...the longterm issues and the problems war creates for a nation in treating and giving preference to its returning veterans.
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War Is Diplomacy By Other Means
As to what is victory?
We bleed the terrorists until they quit.
“Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.” Winston Churchill
We're Americans and we'll never surrender, they will. - John McCain
80% Rule
Ronald Reagan had a simple rule, ‘as long as he agreed with someone 80% of the time, he was solidly with them.
I'll vote for the person I agree with the most when I am givin a choice. In this election the choice is clear. It's McCain.
Is 80% enough?
Hmm, wonder if this is one of the Reagan ideas that OHB found admirable. It would justify him standing solidly by his pastor.
Lane
Senator Chuck Hagel, the Nebraska Republican and one of the very few class acts in Washington, has a new book out, “America: Our Next Chapter.” Hagel writes, “In the current impasse, an independent candidate for the presidency, or a bipartisan unity ticket… could be appealing to Americans.”
Hagel, who is a Vietnam veteran, also suggests that the war in Iraq might be remembered as one of the five biggest blunders in all of history. He says that the invasion 5 years ago was “the triumph of the so-called neoconservative ideology, as well as Bush administration arrogance and incompetence.”
It isn't just democrats. So the way to honor those that have died is to have more die? What exactly does winning in IRAQ mean? Do you honestly think you can rid IRAQ of Al Qaida who let me remind you weren't there vefore March 2002.
You left off a key suffix
You left off a key suffix when you described Sen. Hagel. It should have read "one of the very few class(less) acts in Washington." I'm retired military also, and have as much credibility as Sen. Hagel. He's a moron.
And I'd remind you, in spite of your talking points about AQ not being in Iraq before 2002, that this is a War against terrorists. There are other organizations besides AQ. Saddam was openly defying the very agreements he made in 1991, and was shooting at our troops and airmen virtually every day. He had to be removed, period.
I've taught my kids, never look to start a fight, but if it's plain that a fight is inevitable, then you'd better take the first punch. Most of the time, there's only one.
It was plain at that time that we had been attacked, and we weren't going to wait around for the next hit. You can disagree with the decision to take out the Butcher of Baghdad all you like, the reality was, the entire world believed he had WMD's, and we weren't going to wait for him to use them.
Go troll somewhere else.
One of the FIVE biggest blunders in ALL of history?
Talk about historical hyperbole (and ignorance). This is precisely the kind of nonsense that needs to be countered wherever it appears.
Is this man actually saying that our dethroning Saddam was a "blunder" on the same level as Spain's sending its Armada? Or the Peloponnesian wars? Or the Germans who got drunk while Washington crossed the Delaware? Or Little Roundtop? Or the Pope refusing Henry VIII'th a divorce? Or US isolationism before Pearl Harbor? And economic isolationism before the Great Depression? Or Nevile Chamberland? Or Potsdam? Or Truman stopping McArthur at the 39th parallel? Or Jimmy Carter handing Iran over to the Islamic extremists and Afghanistan over to the Russians?
In the great scheme of things, ENTERING Iraq is arguably small potatoes, but exiting Iraq the wrong way could indeed be a world and history changing event. Entering Vietnam was arguably a mistake and fighting a police action instead of a war was arguably stupid. But when we left, we then stopped financial and material support for the South Vietnamese. I think THAT is one of the greatest stains on this country's honor. Have you ever noticed that the left, peace-movement gray beards who remember their part in all this so fondly never, ever bring up the 3 million people who were murdered after Saigon fell? You can be absolutely assured that the killing fields in Southeast Asia will be nothing to the blood that will run when the terrorists and Iran take over.
McCain VP
If Hillary's the nominee and does not pick Ed Rendell as her VP, John McCain will pick Tom Ridge. If Hillary does pick Ed Rendell, it ought be Condi Rice or Charlie Crist.
If BHO is the nominee and picks Jean Sebelius (Governor of Kansas), John McCain should still pick Tom Ridge. If BHO does not pick Jean Sebelius or another woman, John McCain should pick Mitt Romney, who just might (against Obama only) bring us Massachusetts, not to mention Michigan and Nevada.
I say this knowing that Mitt Romney is as glib and commitment-less a candidate as I have ever seen. I am not at ease about such a choice, but it could work, in THIS circumstance.
Joe Lieberman, David Petraeus, and Tim Pawlenty also look like sound choices. Most of the "conservatives" aren't. We're already winning their states (Sanford of SC) or else cannot (Chris Cox of CA). Rob Portman IS from Ohio, but he's one of 18 Ohio congressmen. Not good enough.
McCain's VP
In my view, John McCain should select one of the following individuals as his running mate:
- Condi Rice - her experience exceeds that of Obama and Hillary COMBINED, she is known and respected worldwide, and she would be America's first female and black vice president;
- Joseph Lieberman - as a former Democrat, Senator Lieberman would attract the vote of many "Reagan Democrats" and independents. Unlike most Democrats, however, Lieberman fully understands the significance of the War on Terror and the threat to western civilization posed by the terrorists.
- Mitt Romney - his experience in the business world and as governor of MASS would certainly quell the fears of voters who rate the U.S. economy as the primary issue of the 2008 presidential election. Also, Romney is an excellent orator.
Not very smart, mate
1. Selecting Condoleeza Rice would tie John McCain to GWB's foreign policy and its mistakes.
2.Joe Lieberman is a great choice...for his views on fighting the War on Terrorism. On every other issue he is a Democrat.
3.Mitt Romney has a chance, and could help in many ways -- except that his Mormonism looks a little less nice (ahem!) after the dust-up going on with those Fundamntalist Mormons in Texas (ahem).
So: here are MY brilliant picks:
1. Tom Ridge
2. Tim Pawlenty or Charlie Crist (if HRC is their nominee)
3. Michael Bloomberg (if BHO is their nominee)
4. Bobby Jindal (even though he does not want to be asked)
MCCAIN-ROMNEY?
From Washingtonpost.com
McCain's VP
Mike Huckabee would be the best choice for VP. He is a true conservative and would enhance the ticket by shoring up the social conservative vote. He would not alienate independents and cross-over Democrats and is well-liked by most.
Mike Huckabee for VP
I like Mike Huckabee for VP. He would give Sen. McCain a real balance to the ticket, and bring in many of the social conservatives and southern state votes that are needed for the Republicans to win. The respect each of them have for each other is also obviously felt and Sen. McCain needs a VP he can TRUST wholeheartedly. That is Mike Huckabee.
it is a possibility. but it
it is a possibility. but it doesn't help John McCain at all in battleground states except FL and NC (PA, MI, OH, NJ, WA, NY if HRC isn't their nominee)
By the way, as you can read, I've changed my mind about Condi FRice and Joe Lieberman. I have thought things through a bit more...
Huck is the Man!
I'm sure there are other good choices, but the candidate who burst on the national scene with a genuineness we could not resist was Mike Huckabee. For a man who spent a fraction of what the others spent and fought against media bias graciously, he was able to win an impressive number of delegates, coming in second overall. He has grassroots enthusiasm from his supporters that will energize the national Republican campaign, and he is a solid conservative who will shore up the conservative vote and will not alienate independents. Mike Huckabee would be a great VP!!!
Huckabee should Be McCain's choice
There are hundreds of thousands of voters who are going to sit out the election. I am one of them. In many of the blogs or groups that I have checked out people are saying this. They will not vote. Most of these people are social and economic conservatives. They are also Huckabee supporters. They feel accepting McCain is not supporting their views and that is what they hold to. Huckabee has the support even now of many. I feel it would be in John McCain's best interest to make Huckabee his VP. John McCain would instantly increase his base. Social conservatives are scared of Romney. He is not what he thinks he is.People see right through him. He is not genuine.
Huckabee has dealt with the Clinton Machine and who better to deal with the words of a great speaker like Obama than an even better speaker such as Huckabee.Huckabee can enspire and excite. Obama can only excite. You need both to take action. excited people tire easily. Inspired people act.
Huckabee is an incredible man who has overcome many adversities. He is an American who loves Americans.
Many that truly do not know Huckabee should listen to him closer. I think if they look at him honestly they will see he should be John McCains right hand man.
Mike is a true visionary. If John's presidency is going to look to the future while dealing with the war in Iraq. Mike Huckabee will be the man to give John support to the direction he would like to take America. Upward.
Brilliant!
For perhaps four or five specific issues, "conservatives" are going to hand over the country to the far, far left. As we're all enjoying the benefits of public health insurance and a federal public school system and the word, God, erased from the Declaration of Independence and sitting at home, broke, because we can't afford or get gas to put in our cars, or hiding out because we won't wear our burqua's, you all can be smug as can be over our comeuppance. I'm, of course, not so bad mannered as to mention that you'll be starving too, but hey, getting to be smug is worth it. Right?
I also like Mike. He's a man of honor and principle, and I cannot believe a man of his character would want his country to go down because he lost an election.
Romney for VP!
Romney has the economic and business experience that McCain needs and the excutive experience from being Governor of Mass. He's a perfect choice as a conservative for the McCain/Romney 2008 ticket.
Huckabee had to stay in the race much longer to get more delagates than Romney. Huckabee was becoming a drain on the process just so he could support his own ego. Everyone saw that and commented on it as well. He burned a lot of bridges in the process.
I think I am going to vomit now
If Romney is selected the Republicans will lose in November. End of story.
Experienced Huckabee!
Mike Huckabee has more executive experience than any other candidate, either Republican or Democrat - 13+yrs, so that makes him the most experienced for the job. His record is excellent, and he left the job with a high approval rating, unlike others. He was selected as one of the top five governors in the U.S. by Time and voted to a leadership role by his fellow governors. He is an authentic conservative, particularly on social issues; his positions have not changed on gay marriage, abortion, government-paid abortions, and stem-cell research, and he advanced life causes as governor. Unfortunately, others have changed their positions on these important issues. He can assist with bringing home the south, a "must have" for Republicans in November; others are not as strong there. His support for the Fair Tax and other economic issues effecting the average American is also a plus. Huckabee's authenticity, experience, and likeability make him well suited for the VP job.
You lost me when you quoted Time...
Time Magazine? Great Source(For the Left). I'm from the south and I dont think Huckabee is qualifed to be 2nd in line. He's funny, but that's about it...
Huckabee is not a bad person, I just don't take him seriously...
Many do take him seriously and that is fine.
Sorry Nelsa!
Sorry, didn't know you didn't like Time. I try and get the news from as many sources as possible; some are good and some not so good. Try and get past it, drink in the rest of the comment, and you will see Mike Huckabee should be taken seriously and is qualified with more executive experience than any recent president.
Nelsa, I've been paying a lot of attention
I've seen a number of people who see him with a good sense of humor, and immediately dismiss him. When he first got interested, it was at the first debate. Unfortunately, he didn't get many questions, so I made it my business to see what was going on with him, found his site, and went straight to the issues section. I was impressed. As time went by, I noticed as he added things, he also refined it. I knew he was writing this himself, not some guy working for him.
He was solid on the issues. There were people and organizations who tried to tear him down with half-lies (stuff out of context, mostly). Chief among them were Club for Growth and Thompson (who probably got his information from CFG)! Here is the entire speech for context (first couple of minutes are people shuffling around). And here is the CFG, out of context version. Any sane person can see this is not fair.
I could easily write 2000+ words, but I think I've made my point. Well just one thing about Romney: I saw a youtube video of Romney cutting down the FairTax. At first blush, he clearly didn't know what he was talking about. I thought, "This guy has not familiarized himself with the FT." Then it occurred to me that possibly he did familiarize himself with it and cut it down, anyway. In the first instance, he would have been irresponsible. In the second instance he would have been a liar. Neither are acceptable.
It's Mike Huckabee For Me!
Mike Huckabee was right when he said "Character Makes a Difference". He is down to earth and makes me feel like he is on the same level with the everyday Joe. Most politicians/candidates make us feel like we, the everyday Joe's, are beneath them. Huckabee stands for the same values that I do, and he is not afraid to stand firm in his faith and Bible Based beliefs. He doesn't talk over my head and communicates things in a way that ordinary people can understand! The media wants Huckabee to back down from his faith and not talk so much about the Bible, but when that is how you are brought up, it is what you know and very important to your values! When you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, it is exciting and you want your joy to rub off on those around you or that you have an impact on! I feel that he is the only person I can offer my vote to right now. If McCain chooses someone other than Huckabee for his VP, then I'm not so sure that I can give McCain my honest vote. My faith in God and my Bible-based beliefs come before my commitment to any political party, even that of a registered poll worker. I don't feel that McCain can win those important Bible Belt states without Huckabee. Huckabee is the only man I see who ran a clean campaign of honesty and integrity and that is the kind of man (or woman) I want running my Country. I am not opposed to a woman or even a person of color (or both) running our Country, but their values must meet up with mine. It's time for true Christian Conservatives to Stand Firm, Stand Strong, and Be Heard! We DO have a voice!
Thomas:Re Huckabee
I can certainly honor your heartfelt beliefs and your passion for your VP candidate but a single issue candidate is not what the country needs right now.
Huckabee may be an honorable candidate but there are very complex issues involved in world affairs. We are a nation of mostly christians but we pride ourselves on freedom of religion and freedom for ALL.
Religion may be a guiding force in the foundation of our country but there are many more complex isues that need attention to bond our country together. A Global economy,the war in Iraq and terrorism in general.
Obviously you feel that you want McCain to be the President. Many of us have our choice for VP and for various reasons. I will support McCain's pick because I believe he will make the right choice.
RE: Thomas:Re Huckabee
First of all, Thomas is my maiden name.
Second, I am not necessarily in favor of McCain. If I must vote the lesser of the evils, then he will get my vote. Evil is still evil and that is wrong. He has issues that I disagree with. If I felt that Huckabee was lacking in any of the areas that you mentioned, economy, the war, etc, I would consider another person for VP. However, I feel that Mike is not lacking in any of these areas. He has traveled the world extensively and knows what he faces. He is experienced in running the state better than most before him, so why do people think he is lacking to run the country, whether as President or as VP? I feel that he has more executive experience than any of the other candidates.
I have built my life based on my faith in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and I believe that He will guide Huckabee to do what needs to be done. God does not call someone into a position of any kind and not give then the tools to work with. God has a plan for Mike Huckabee. Whether it is as the President, VP or some other position, I don't believe we will have to wait until 2012 to find out what that position will be. I just can't say that I can vote for McCain and still uphold the two pledges I have taken under my Christian values. For one, I must uphold life. McCain is against abortion, but in favor of embryonic stem cell research...baby killing is still baby killing whether a fetus or an embryo. McCain also made the comments about gay unions that he thought maybe it was okay as long as they had some kind of a ceremony. That goes against God's plan as well and I must uphold the Marriage Amendment as God intended marriage...between a man and a woman for the purpose of pro-creation. I do not waiver in my pledges, my faith, or my values. As I said, Stand Firm, Stand Strong, and Be Heard!
As for Huckabee being a single issue candidate, you don't appear to be very well informed about Mike Huckabee. Read his books, "From Hope to Higher Ground: 12 Steps to Greatness", "From Hope to Higher Ground: My Vision for Restoring America's Greatness", and "Character Makes a Difference: Where I'm From, Where I've Been, and What I Believe". Maybe by being informed, you will change your way of thinking. I stand firm!
Pamm
Uneducated
I am sorry that you are so poorly educated about Governor Huckabee's platform. His website it http://mikehuckabee.com if you care to make an educated remark.
You obviously are unaware that he has more executive experience than anyone else who ran for president this year, is in favor of the Fair Tax, and has creative, Conservative solutions for America.
I will not support Senator McCain if he chooses Mitt Romney or another of poor character.
Mike Huckabee the complete package
To hear some people speak of Governor Huckabee as if he is inexperienced is almost comical! He has MORE executive experience that ANY candidate out there. He was Governor for over a decade!! During that time he was voted one of the top 5 best governors in the US, was nominated by his peers to Chair the National Governors Assoc., he was re-elected TWICE in a democratic state, proving his unique ability to connect with ALL people, work across party lines to make things happen and unify the state (or country). There is no-one more capable of showing strength when needed, compassion when needed and having the great ability to read a situation and know the difference. Add to that the Governor's great communication skills that would put his vp status to great use!!! Also, since the vp is the tie-breaker in the senate, we need his conservative credentials!!!
Colin Powell
If McCain is smart he will pick Colin Powell. He is the best person to help him get elected.
1. He has enormous name recognition, much more than many of the governors mentioned
2. He has great affection from the broad center of the electorate, something that McCain has, and something that his running mate also needs.
3. In one fell swoop he would take away the novelty of Barok Obama, and take away a significant percentage of the black vote.
4. Finally, he would make a really great president, if it came to that.
Only one problem, getting him to say yes.
Great man but not a great choice
Colin Powell would be a poor choice for veep beause his strengths are all in areas where McCain's cup already overfloweth, so to speak. We don't need two men who are strong on national security and have an appeal to independents and moderate/conservative Democrats.
Furthermore, Powell does not help McCain in the areas where McCain is perceived to be weakest - such an economics or the age issue.
But the real reason why so many people want McCain to pick Powell is because they think African Americans would support the Republican ticket because of his race. That won't happen. Whether it is Powell or Thomas or Rice or Steele or anyone else I could name, Blacks have shown that they will not support Blacks who are not Democrats.
Lock Step Conservatives
People like ksmith can go vote the conservative line and see what that gets you. You people that tow the Rush line are irrelevant. Let Rush run for office. He could not get elected dog catcher. Let Dobson run and see how many votes he gets. If you want a conservative or nothing party go ahead and jump because you will be about 10% of the vote and left with nothing, no one in office and crying. The best thing for McCain would be for people like you to sit it out and McCain still win and win big. If that happens you will be useless and without a voice. Yea you can still listen to Rush but no one will be coming to kiss his ring. Think long and hard about what you want because you might just blow your last chance at relevancy.
Rush Line
Kabookey-Interesting post-There are no irrelevent opinions and that is just my opinion.:)
I think you are misinterpreting Rush's objective. He wants a REPUBLICAN to win. He may not agree with McCain on many levels but his heart is still with the party. Trust me, I cringe when Rush disagrees with McCain(AS I do on some issues), but I think he (Rush) has a larger plan for the 2008 election. Hope I am correct.
Trust me, when it comes time to go to the voting booth, Republicans of all stripes will be pulling the lever for McCain and Rush will have nothing to do with the majority of them having done so.
I don't listen to Rush anymore
Personally, I don't listen to Rush anymore, or Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, or Laura Ingram. I am sick of their biased use of their media platform to push a particular candidate and bash another. They should be talking issues rather than belittling particular candidates. Many of these pundits have said during the primaries that Mike Huckabee and John McCain would ruin the party if nominated; they have promoted Mitt Romney for the most part. I think it is these "conservative" pundits who will contribute to the demise of their own programs if they don't change their spin and change it quickly. There are too many conservatives in the country who can think for themselves for these firebrands to be picking favorites based on their personal pocketbooks. McCain has won the Republican nomination, and it is time for Rush and the others to shut their off-key mouths.
Re:I don't listen to Rush any more.
Submitted by Texan1 on April 7, 2008 - 7:25pm.
"McCain has won the Republican nomination, and it is time for Rush and the others to shut their off-key mouths."
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I see. You are for censorship. If they don't agree with you and your choice for President or VP, then they should shut up. Does that mean that you support the Fairness Doctrine?